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	<title>Comments on: Keeping Kids from Leaving the Faith</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Potter</title>
		<link>http://www.mikepottersblog.com/2009/06/keeping-kids-from-leaving-the-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

I&#039;m not sure why you would post such a negative response.  Why would you say that God would condemn Foothills?  The people here - including me, Jesse, John Morgan, Pat Smith, and many, many others - have been nothing but good to you.  To say that you hate every inch of the church is sad and disappointing.  If you&#039;re going to get married, you need to be leading your fiance in positive thinking and activities.  To be so negative about the church that has loved you and cared for you and your family all these years is not leading her well.  Please rethink your position on this.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you would post such a negative response.  Why would you say that God would condemn Foothills?  The people here &#8211; including me, Jesse, John Morgan, Pat Smith, and many, many others &#8211; have been nothing but good to you.  To say that you hate every inch of the church is sad and disappointing.  If you&#8217;re going to get married, you need to be leading your fiance in positive thinking and activities.  To be so negative about the church that has loved you and cared for you and your family all these years is not leading her well.  Please rethink your position on this.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Luce</title>
		<link>http://www.mikepottersblog.com/2009/06/keeping-kids-from-leaving-the-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Luce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou Anonymous I agree 100% With you I believe the same stuff you believe but heres the deal me and my fiance left because of small talk at this building the Foothills we are in the same boat and I agree with you so much so I left the church god will condemn them anyways so find a new church like I did but I don&#039;t even go anymore because it is pointless and a waste of time I meet Christians that are better inside me shoe than in that building I have been their 16 years and I hate it every inch so does my fiance any problems by anybody there meet me outside and we will talk alot of smack and it won&#039;t be pretty but these guys are judgemental and rude so be careful about them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou Anonymous I agree 100% With you I believe the same stuff you believe but heres the deal me and my fiance left because of small talk at this building the Foothills we are in the same boat and I agree with you so much so I left the church god will condemn them anyways so find a new church like I did but I don&#8217;t even go anymore because it is pointless and a waste of time I meet Christians that are better inside me shoe than in that building I have been their 16 years and I hate it every inch so does my fiance any problems by anybody there meet me outside and we will talk alot of smack and it won&#8217;t be pretty but these guys are judgemental and rude so be careful about them</p>
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		<title>By: Evonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anonymous, 
I am very sorry that your hearts were broken and that you are now without a home. It is so painful to be so deeply disappointed.  There are Christians who &quot;think and act like Christ&quot; and His work in all of us who are truly His will be completed so that we become so more and more.  The wounded  often become the wise and those who can bring healing to others and timely correction to those who would wound.  Bitterness aborts life and the tender hearts that you yourselves needed extended in compassion in your grief and pain. It hurts to remain vulnerable but self protection and bitterness destroy.  I have prayed for your healing and the guidance that only Christ can give.  Follow Him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anonymous,<br />
I am very sorry that your hearts were broken and that you are now without a home. It is so painful to be so deeply disappointed.  There are Christians who &#8220;think and act like Christ&#8221; and His work in all of us who are truly His will be completed so that we become so more and more.  The wounded  often become the wise and those who can bring healing to others and timely correction to those who would wound.  Bitterness aborts life and the tender hearts that you yourselves needed extended in compassion in your grief and pain. It hurts to remain vulnerable but self protection and bitterness destroy.  I have prayed for your healing and the guidance that only Christ can give.  Follow Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The statistic isn&#039;t just talking about teenagers.  It&#039;s talking about young adults, too, right?  Ages 20-29?

Why would someone in their mid to late twenties leave the church after years of faithful attendance?

When me and my spouse left the church (we are in our mid to late twenties), it was the hypocrisy of the Church and damage done by other Christians.  It was the sin others committed against us, the wrongs that were never righted, hateful words spoken to us, and the blatant hypocrisy and poor leadership of the pastor in dealing with these things.  We still believe in the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ.  But we will never go to another church again because we have seen far too few Christians who actually think and act like Christ.  The most outrageous part of it to us is that most of these people will never see that they are so unlike Christ.  They will read comments like this and shake their heads at &quot;those fake hypocritical Christians&quot; but never look at themselves.  Or worse, they will say there was something wrong with the person who was hurt, and not with the Church.  They have no idea how much damage they do to God&#039;s name and His universal Church.  

To us our church was our home, and we have left wounded and hurt and angry and bitter.  There was no real love, no compassion or understanding, no relationship or friendship.

What the previous comment says is so true: &quot;It is when we compartmentalize our faith that children see our inconsistencies. It is when we require more from them than we do from ourselves that they see our hypocrisies. It is when we fail to repent of our sins against our children that they become discouraged and provoked. It is when we are not daily committed to the hard work of reconciliation in the home and in the Church that bitterness takes root.&quot;  This doesn&#039;t just apply to our children.  It applies to every Church member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The statistic isn&#8217;t just talking about teenagers.  It&#8217;s talking about young adults, too, right?  Ages 20-29?</p>
<p>Why would someone in their mid to late twenties leave the church after years of faithful attendance?</p>
<p>When me and my spouse left the church (we are in our mid to late twenties), it was the hypocrisy of the Church and damage done by other Christians.  It was the sin others committed against us, the wrongs that were never righted, hateful words spoken to us, and the blatant hypocrisy and poor leadership of the pastor in dealing with these things.  We still believe in the God of the Bible and Jesus Christ.  But we will never go to another church again because we have seen far too few Christians who actually think and act like Christ.  The most outrageous part of it to us is that most of these people will never see that they are so unlike Christ.  They will read comments like this and shake their heads at &#8220;those fake hypocritical Christians&#8221; but never look at themselves.  Or worse, they will say there was something wrong with the person who was hurt, and not with the Church.  They have no idea how much damage they do to God&#8217;s name and His universal Church.  </p>
<p>To us our church was our home, and we have left wounded and hurt and angry and bitter.  There was no real love, no compassion or understanding, no relationship or friendship.</p>
<p>What the previous comment says is so true: &#8220;It is when we compartmentalize our faith that children see our inconsistencies. It is when we require more from them than we do from ourselves that they see our hypocrisies. It is when we fail to repent of our sins against our children that they become discouraged and provoked. It is when we are not daily committed to the hard work of reconciliation in the home and in the Church that bitterness takes root.&#8221;  This doesn&#8217;t just apply to our children.  It applies to every Church member.</p>
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		<title>By: Evonne</title>
		<link>http://www.mikepottersblog.com/2009/06/keeping-kids-from-leaving-the-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Evonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Deuteronomy passage is about teaching in and from relationship. First, springing from each parents relationship with God. Fearing God.  Keeping His commandments.  Loving Him with all our heart, soul, and might.  His commands are to be on our hearts.  From that good place in our relationship with Him, we then teach our children diligently, intentionally, as we are sitting in our homes, walking by the way, when we lie down and rise up...And how can we fail to teach if we are so committed and in relationship with God?  Our faith is then naturally accessed all throughout our activities because it is at the center, the core, the hub of all of life.  It is then as natural to discuss our decisions in light of God and His word as it is to discuss the next weekend&#039;s activities or the evening&#039;s agenda.   It is when we compartmentalize our faith that children see our inconsistencies. It is when we require more from them than we do from ourselves that they see our hypocrisies. It is when we fail to repent of our sins against our children that they become discouraged and provoked.  It is when we are not daily committed to the hard work of reconciliation in the home and in the Church that bitterness takes root.  

Parents are to study and know that answers to the meanings behind the liturgical acts in which we participate as worshipers.  &quot;When your son asks you in time to come, &#039;What is the meaning of the testimonies and the statutes and the rules that the Lord our God has commanded you?&#039; then you are to say...&quot;  Teaching is not to be left up to the Church alone.  Children from Christian families should arrive at church with hearts prepared to learn.  This can begin at very young ages and take place right in the main worship service.  Children from Christian families should arrive at church ready to serve, seeing themselves as integral participating members of the community of believers. This,too, can begin very young as children are instructed to be friendly, kind, reverent and generous.

Just imagine how effective, authentic, and deep our communities would be if we were to truly explore the depth of the Deuteronomy passage.  Just imagine how deep and how wide we could reach and how enabled our elders would be to teach if we came from the place in which  Deuteronomy instructs us to live.  Just imagine how far our church could reach into the lives of the lost ,the poor, and the broken if our community was charged with the authenticity birthed in vibrant Christian homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Deuteronomy passage is about teaching in and from relationship. First, springing from each parents relationship with God. Fearing God.  Keeping His commandments.  Loving Him with all our heart, soul, and might.  His commands are to be on our hearts.  From that good place in our relationship with Him, we then teach our children diligently, intentionally, as we are sitting in our homes, walking by the way, when we lie down and rise up&#8230;And how can we fail to teach if we are so committed and in relationship with God?  Our faith is then naturally accessed all throughout our activities because it is at the center, the core, the hub of all of life.  It is then as natural to discuss our decisions in light of God and His word as it is to discuss the next weekend&#8217;s activities or the evening&#8217;s agenda.   It is when we compartmentalize our faith that children see our inconsistencies. It is when we require more from them than we do from ourselves that they see our hypocrisies. It is when we fail to repent of our sins against our children that they become discouraged and provoked.  It is when we are not daily committed to the hard work of reconciliation in the home and in the Church that bitterness takes root.  </p>
<p>Parents are to study and know that answers to the meanings behind the liturgical acts in which we participate as worshipers.  &#8220;When your son asks you in time to come, &#8216;What is the meaning of the testimonies and the statutes and the rules that the Lord our God has commanded you?&#8217; then you are to say&#8230;&#8221;  Teaching is not to be left up to the Church alone.  Children from Christian families should arrive at church with hearts prepared to learn.  This can begin at very young ages and take place right in the main worship service.  Children from Christian families should arrive at church ready to serve, seeing themselves as integral participating members of the community of believers. This,too, can begin very young as children are instructed to be friendly, kind, reverent and generous.</p>
<p>Just imagine how effective, authentic, and deep our communities would be if we were to truly explore the depth of the Deuteronomy passage.  Just imagine how deep and how wide we could reach and how enabled our elders would be to teach if we came from the place in which  Deuteronomy instructs us to live.  Just imagine how far our church could reach into the lives of the lost ,the poor, and the broken if our community was charged with the authenticity birthed in vibrant Christian homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad the Mental Giant</title>
		<link>http://www.mikepottersblog.com/2009/06/keeping-kids-from-leaving-the-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad the Mental Giant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that as teenagers graduate and start living their lives more and more independently they begin to realize their church maybe wasn&#039;t all it was cracked up to be. And since alot of people that age associate their faith with the church they attended they perhaps really start to question what they believe, or if they believe. It&#039;s almost like starting over in a world that seems a whole bunch more attractive than what their church offered. Who do you think is more likely to win that battle? At least in the short term. This is not neccessarily the churches fault (although I think most church fail miserably in many areas) but more blame lies with the parents not getting involved in their kids spiritual growth. They don&#039;t want to address it in any consistant meaningful way...so they just let the church do it. And you see the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that as teenagers graduate and start living their lives more and more independently they begin to realize their church maybe wasn&#8217;t all it was cracked up to be. And since alot of people that age associate their faith with the church they attended they perhaps really start to question what they believe, or if they believe. It&#8217;s almost like starting over in a world that seems a whole bunch more attractive than what their church offered. Who do you think is more likely to win that battle? At least in the short term. This is not neccessarily the churches fault (although I think most church fail miserably in many areas) but more blame lies with the parents not getting involved in their kids spiritual growth. They don&#8217;t want to address it in any consistant meaningful way&#8230;so they just let the church do it. And you see the results.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mike,
Great article! I also read some of your other blogs about fathering, etc.- all good stuff! I hope you and the &quot;First Lady&quot; are doing well! :-)!
-Kenyon Knapp-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike,<br />
Great article! I also read some of your other blogs about fathering, etc.- all good stuff! I hope you and the &#8220;First Lady&#8221; are doing well! <img src='http://www.mikepottersblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> !<br />
-Kenyon Knapp-</p>
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